With MSNBC host Pleasure Reid away on Monday evening, it was as much as Dr. Jason Johnson to select up the slack on The Reidout, as his panel reworked right into a D.C. cocktail dialogue of the “malicious, muscular Christianity” that Republicans are supposedly threatening to impose on America.
After framing the dialogue by taking part in a clip from Consultant Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) at Saturday’s Turning Level Scholar Motion Summit, the place she stated, “We ought to be Christian nationalists,” Johnson requested New York Occasions columnist Michelle Goldberg:
Goldberg replied by saying how, when her e book on the risks of Christian nationalism was criticized as being too dire in its predictions when it was launched in 2006, “Now we see individuals who have this ideology, that their model of a type of malicious, muscular Christianity ought to be imposed on the remainder of us.”
After repeating the oft-debunked declare that these Christian nationalist insurance policies are stopping girls from receiving therapy for miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies, Johnson introduced up his personal anecdotal expertise, “I do know loads of people who find themselves pro-life, however they‘re not pleased with the Supreme Court docket determination. I do know people who find themselves pro-life and conservative Christians who do not essentially like the concept of — of — of homosexual marriages and LGBTQ marriages being invalidated.”
The percentages of any of those associates dwelling greater than 20 miles from D.C. or an ocean are astronomically low.
Funnily sufficient, even Ted Cruz — somebody who Johnson would nearly actually describe as a Christian nationalist — has additionally acknowledged his personal prudential considerations with invalidating homosexual marriages.
Johnson then returned to the first topic of his panel, Marjorie Taylor Greene:
After unhelpfully clarifying that MTG claimed to be a “Christian nationalist,” which isn’t white nationalist however merely “a largely white motion adjoining to white nationalism,” Goldberg concurred with Johnson’s most important level:
There’s a group that’s “extremist and untethered from most individuals’s peculiar experiences” on this one-sided dialog, and — spoiler alert — it isn’t the “Christian nationalists.”
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MSNBC’s The ReidOut
07/25/22
7:39:48 PM ET
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REP. MATT GAETZ (R-FL) [At Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, 07/23/22]: Like, why is it that the ladies with the least chance of getting pregnant are those most frightened about having abortions? No one needs to impregnate you if you happen to seem like a thumb.
REP. MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE (R-GA) [At Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, 07/23/22]: We should be the occasion of nationalism, and I am a Christian and I say it proudly. We ought to be Christian nationalists.
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JASON JOHNSON: Matt Gaetz is allowed at conferences the place youngsters are there? Uh, these weren’t statements out of your embarrassing uncle on Fb. I do not actually have these. These are statements from two members of the federal government’s highest legislative physique throughout a nationwide Republican Occasion convention this weekend, Turning Level.
Now the explanation we present you this is not to show that these Trump cronies are extremists — you already know that, they’re horrible individuals — however to point out you the way the issues they are saying even have actual penalties for many who reside of their districts, who’re subjected to the insurance policies that come from this totally evil mind-set.
To speak about that becoming a member of me now we’ve Michelle Goldberg, New York Occasions columnist and MSNBC political analyst, and Shermichael Singleton, one of many best-dressed guys on TV, political marketing consultant, and host of the present ScreenShare.
Uh, look — I — I’ll begin with you, Michelle. I am not a fan of simply outrage, proper? I — I — you’ll be able to present me all of the terrorists on TV, all of the Republicans saying horrible issues. It is not new. They’ve been doing this for many of my lifetime. However what I do suppose is necessary is to say that, hey, these individuals have coverage affect.
So on that finish do you suppose that the — the form of — eh, the moderates and the independents on this nation, do you suppose they’re actually conscious of the truth that this is not simply hyperbole now, that Republicans are in place to take a few of their craziest fantasies and make them legislation, or is it nonetheless one thing that most individuals are type of ignoring?
MICHELLE GOLDBERG: I imply — I feel it’s occurred in some sense — you already know, how do you go — what’s the outdated saying about how do you go broke instantly — er, slowly then instantly — progressively then instantly? This has been occurring for a very long time.
The subtitle of my first e book which got here out in 2006 was “The Rise of Christian Nationalism,” and after I was speaking about this motion and the hazard that it would acquire political energy I feel one of many largest criticisms was that you simply’re being hyperbolic or that you simply’re being fearmongering. Now we see individuals who have this ideology, that their model of a type of malicious, muscular Christianity ought to be imposed on the remainder of us. We see these individuals with actual energy.
So that’s the direct line between the Ohio abortion story that we have been speaking about or the tales that we’re listening to from everywhere in the nation of ladies being denied therapy for miscarriages, for ectopic pregnancies — you already know, for pregnancies that don’t have any likelihood of — uh, of viability. We’re seeing already I feel that the implications of this Christian nationalist politics is having an impact on individuals who perhaps by no means actually thought that the abortion debate —
JOHNSON: Proper.
GOLDBERG: — that the abortion debate was germane to their lives.
JOHNSON: Shermichael, I need to ask you about this. Look, I — I do know loads of people who find themselves pro-life, however they‘re not pleased with the Supreme Court docket determination. I do know people who find themselves pro-life and conservative Christians who do not essentially like the concept of — of — of homosexual marriages and LGBTQ marriages being invalidated.
Do you suppose these individuals are a big sufficient demographic in America — uh, or a involved sufficient demographic in America that they are often focused, or have they already form of picked a aspect in these new form of coverage battles and it would not make any sense making an attempt to microtarget them anymore?
SHERMICHAEL SINGLETON: I imply, I suppose if you happen to have been to ask are these people value being focused in the event that they sometimes vote Republican, I am undecided, Dr. Johnson, if I might say sure to that query. As a result of for essentially the most half — you are a political scientist, you already know this very nicely — these people, though they could not subscribe to these issues, they may discover different causes to proceed to sometimes vote Republican, to proceed to proceed — uh, to affiliate with the conservative motion or occasion if you’ll.
Now, because it turns to unbiased swing voters, I do suppose that there’s some potential right here to focus on these people as a result of these of us sometimes aren’t holistically tethered to at least one aspect or the opposite. They might moreso — like, have a desire for some conservative issues such because the financial system, capitalism, perhaps they’re robust militarily, however socially they’re like eh, I feel a few of these of us go too far. I am open to a unique argument.
Actually, there are people who’re unbiased or swing voters that lean to the left who Democrats sometimes simply have to determine a strategy to flip these people out. So I would definitely say it’s value taking a look at the place these voters are, what energizes them, what their pursuits are, and crafting a message to focus on them particularly round these points saying yeah, we all know you care about these different issues however do you actually need to empower this with all the negativity? I feel these voters could be open to that message.
JOHNSON: I — look, they will not be full tethers — you already know, form of within the us sense — however most of them are nonetheless voting purple — uh, even when they’re not in the entire purple jumpsuit.
SINGLETON: Completely, yeah.
JOHNSON: Um, Michelle, with that in thoughts — you already know, I wished to — to level out one thing about Marjorie Taylor Greene’s commentary. It’s totally attention-grabbing to me, and that is additionally the place I feel — um, you already know, Vice President Harris is form of touring across the nation going to 800 totally different locations over the course of the yr makes a distinction.
You do have individuals in these districts who don’t agree with these insurance policies. Marjorie Taylor Greene is like, hey, I am a proud white nationalist, however you take a look at the information about her district. Her district is 75 p.c white, however it’s 12 p.c Hispanic, 9 p.c African American, one p.c Asian, three p.c — uh, who — who say they’re of two races or extra. I imply, there are individuals in these districts who don’t like the truth that they’re getting swept alongside on this white nationalist motion.
Not simply from a numbers perspective however even from a political agitation perspective, can these individuals be activated? I imply, there have gotten to be individuals in components of Kansas and Texas and Ohio saying, look, if we may simply get somewhat assist with some cash we would overthrow these maniacs as a result of we’re not pleased with the insurance policies that they’re forcing down our throats.
GOLDBERG: Effectively I feel it’s necessary to say — you already know, Marjorie Taylor Greene identifies herself as a Christian nationalist which is clearly a largely white motion adjoining to white nationalism, however there are additionally actually Hispanics who’re sympathetic to that motion, um — you already know, and we see to some extent — um, teams in addition to white males trending in direction of the Republican Occasion due to social points.
I suppose the query is when there is a widespread recognition that this occasion has turn into so merciless, thus far out of the mainstream, so extremist and untethered from most individuals’s peculiar experiences that there is some form of revolt. Uh, sadly, although, due to gerrymandering and due to the varied counter-majoritarian parts of our system — you already know, simply having a majority say this isn’t who we’re will not be sufficient. These districts are made in lots of instances to guard, if to not shield Marjorie Taylor Greene —
JOHNSON: Proper.
GOLDBERG: — to insulate plenty of these Republicans from accountability. I feel that what we’re seeing now’s the best way a celebration behaves when it is aware of that it’s considerably protected against Democratic accountability.
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