Larry Elder and Gloria Allred Manage to Keep It Respectful in Debate on Abortion, Clarence Thomas, and Donald Trump – Opinion

This week’s “The Issue Is,” hosted by Fox 11 Los Angeles’ Elex Michaelson, featured former California gubernatorial candidate and radio host Larry Elder and attorney Gloria Allred in a debate about various topics including abortion, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and former President Donald Trump. Although they were not in agreement on everything, the debate was respectful. Elder and Allred’s relationship goes back 30 years.

Elder and Allred were pro-life on the issue of abortion. They both made an argument regarding the Supreme Court’s decision that sent abortion back to each state for the voters to decide if it should be legal.

Elder starts off the debate by saying: “The Court got it wrong in 1973 when they took up the case in the first place … depending on the polls and how they phrase them, a greater percentage of women are pro-life than even men.”

Allred disagreed, saying the Supreme Court decision is about “controlling the lives of women … this is outrageous, women cannot enjoy full equality and liberty because of this U.S. Supreme Court decision.”

The discussion continued about abortion. Larry Elder also said:

“This just returned the issue to the states where it should have been in the first place and there weren’t protests in the streets before 1973, there weren’t rallies in Washington D.C. before 1973. The Supreme Court federalized an issue that they should not have touched … Dred Scott was precedent. Plessy v Ferguson was precedent … when cases are wrong they need to be overturned.”

Gloria Allred answered:

“Should contraception be a state’s rights issue, should marriage equality be a state rights issue, and should it be a national law that prohibits abortion in every state? That’s what Mitch McConnell wants to do. That’s what many Republicans want to do … it should be a right and not subject to a state interfering with a right of a woman to control her own body.”

You can find the complete exchange here

The debate shifted to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas suggesting the right to privacy shouldn’t also be in place for marriage equality or contraceptives. Michaelson said that Elder is unhappy with the treatment of Justice Thomas by the media. Elder claimed:

“It’s been hideous. He’s been referred to as an Uncle Tom by Bennie Thompson, the head of the January 6 committee, he’s been called an Uncle Tom by Joy Reid of MSNB hee-haw, he’s been called Uncle Tom by Samuel L. Jackson. It’s outrageous. You can disagree with somebody without making a racial slur like that … Look, I like Clarence Thomas, I think he’s a superstar … and he’s right, there is a lot of precedents we outta rethink including especially the one that allowed race-based preferences.”

Elder was asked about whether it should be illegal to have same-sex married people. Elder said: “I think that should be a state-by-state issue, just like this should be a state-by-state issue.”

Allred responded:

“What about interracial marriage? Justice Thomas didn’t mention this, and he also did not refer to the Loving v. Virginia decision by the U.S. Supreme Court. He’s in an interracial marriage, perhaps that’s the reason he did not mention it, but that is also based on a right, a fundamental right to marry, and that is a constitutional right, and also rooted in Liberty in the fourteenth Amendment.”

Elder, eagerly waiting to jump in, said: “It’s rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment, which Roe v. WadeIt was not. The Constitution does not provide a right of privacy. I’ve read it a few times, it’s not there.”

You can find the complete exchange here

When speaking about California Governor Gavin Newsom’s trip to Montana, the topic of abortion resurfaced.

Allred said: “We don’t want to put money into states that are going to put women and girls’ lives at risk.”

Following that statement, Elder posed the question to Allred: “Gloria, do you have any respect at all for the people that feel differently? For people that feel abortion is wrong, it’s a sin, and for women who feel that way including Amy Coney Barrett, do you have any sympathy at all for people that feel that way?”

You can find the complete exchange here

Elder stated:

“The idea that there was some insurrection that was orchestrated by Donald Trump is incredibly unfair. What part of I want you to peacefully and patriotically march over to the capitol building don’t you understand? Which is what he said hours before these riots, and they were riots, and the people that did them should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.”

Elder’s assertion was rejected by Allred, who said:

“He wanted those election results to be overturned. Elex was his plan to orchestrate a coup to ensure Biden would not be elected President. This is a man we need to know the full truth about, and we are going to learn more next week.”

Elder and Allred ended the debate by dancing. Debats should not cause us to be bitter. We need to listen to both sides, accept disagreement when needed, and maintain civility. It may be difficult at times, but we are the ‘United’ States of America for a reason.

You can read the entire interview here

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